Talking With Messier About Fighting In Hockey

Fighting in hockey is always a hot topic.  However, due to some recent injuries and an unfortunate death last season, attention has been turned to whether or not players should be allowed to remove their helmets during fights.

I have my opinions on fighting in hockey, but rather than ramble on with my thoughts, why not ask one of the legends of the game?

So, I asked Mark Messier about his thoughts on the subject.

Messier fought no less than 19 times over the course of his career in the National Hockey League.  In addition, his son Lyon had a couple of fights last season as professional player in the Central Hockey League. This gives Mark, what I believe is, a unique perspective on the topic – addressing the subject from the view of both a player and a parent.

In addition, Messier also has first hand experience on the topic considering one of the first NHL fights of his career was with Dennis Ververgaert in 1980.  In this fight Messier was wearing a helmet, while Ververgaert was not. Messier landed several hard left hands, taking Ververgaert to the ice.  Fortunately, they were both okay.

However, if you watch the video , you will see that there is not much difference in the way that Ververgert fell compared to how Columbus’  Tommy Sestito hit the ice and was injured following a fight with Jordin Tootoo this pre-season.

Without any further adieu.

Messier On Fighting

NHL Digest: Do you have a position on fighting in the NHL?  In particular, what is your reaction to taking helmets off during fights?

Messier: Fighting in hockey has been debated for many years by team officials, players, experts, and fans. The one constant in all the discussions is that there are no easy answers or solutions. As a former player, fighting was an accepted aspect of the game. Of course when I first started, very few games were televised around the country, and every move the league or teams made was not scrutinized by millions of viewers.

Over the last few decades, fighting in hockey has changed tremendously. In the 70’s fighting really hit its peak, being lead by the Broad Street Bullies in Philadelphia. The Flyers were the Stanley Cup Champions and played a very aggressive in-your-face game, which often lead to fisticuffs on the ice. Bench clearing brawls were the norm, and of course, all this trickled down to the minor leagues and even into the grass roots level.

The 80’s followed with an invasion of highly skilled European players that started to make their way over to play in the NHL. And soon after came the games Greatest player ever in Wayne Gretzky, who possessed a game of skill and awareness that had never been seen before. Led by Wayne, the Edmonton Oilers became the benchmark for success, adopting a highly skilled, fast skating game, which forced the rest of the league to change their philosophy from a grinding up and down your wing, to a skating, interweaving game that resembled a more European style.

The league took tremendous steps to reduce fighting and eliminate bench clearing brawls. Requiring players to return to their benches as soon as a fight broke out and the institution of many other new rules greatly reduced the number of fights that took place in any particular game.

While the focus now is on a more skilled, high tempo game, fighting is still a topic of conversation, particularly when a player is hurt as a result of the fight. Players are bigger and stronger than ever, and have taken the skill of fighting to a new level. Hockey is a great game of passion, skill, discipline, courage and heart. However, in addition to these great attributes, intimidation has always played and will continue to play a part in the game.

One of the latest problems associated with fighting is players taking their helmets off before engaging in a fight. One of the reasons for this was the mandatory visor rule that was implemented in amateur hockey, much like the hockey helmet was back in 1979. Because of the shields and full cages, taking the helmets off became a way of showing respect and bravado.

Hockey, like life, is ever changing and evolving. We as a league must always have the best interests in our minds and hearts for the players, teams and fans. The changes that have taken place over the last 30 years have made our game better than ever. We will continue to make the necessary changes to ensure we not only protect our players, but provide the fans with the best product and entertainment possible.

Fighting has always been a part of hockey, and I personally believe that it will continue to be one aspect of our game. Part of what makes hockey so entertaining is that it requires physical and mental toughness. But as the game continues to evolve, I believe that player safety and better protection need to be our top priority. If that means instituting a rule – like Hockey Canada – that makes it mandatory to keep your helmet on in a fight, I would support it.

Messier On Head Protection

The Messier Project, my new collaboration with Cascade Sports, is committed to elevating head protection in hockey and we are working to change priorities in the sport. A helmet and its protective technology are just as important – if not more important – than the skates you wear or the stick you use.

In developing the M11, I worked very closely with the innovators at Cascade Sports to bring a player’s perspective to the design. One of the features I am most proud of is the ProFit system, which I think ties into this conversation.

During game play and especially if a player engages in a fight, it is extremely important that the helmet stays on to prevent potential head injury due to a blow to the head or the more serious threat of a player’s head hitting the ice.

The Pro Fit system creates a 360 degree fit- tapering the entire helmet in around the head for a snug, “toque” feel. When your helmet fits right, it is safer on impact and when adjusted properly, a good fit increases the level of protection the helmet offers. From a performance perspective, the M11 ProFit allows a player to fine-tune the fit and adjust it on the fly based on the situation and environment.

Thank you for your question. It is conversations and questions like these that are so important to the evolution and continued success of our game.

With respect,
Mark Messier

Final Thoughts

As you can see, Mark’s take on fighting in hockey is not simplistic. He is certainly passionate about the game and his venture with the Messier Project really is about protecting players.

He mentions that he would support a rule to keep helmets on during a fight.  This makes sense, but if that were the case, I certainly wouldn’t want to fight anyone with a Dany Heatley sized visor!

Maybe a quick-release visor could be developed?  That would be sure to appease both the “no fighting with a visor crowd” and the “keep your helmet on during a fight” crowd.

Hmmmm…maybe I just gave Mark and Cascade Sports an idea for the next big thing in hockey? I’m sure my check is in the mail!

Go Retro With The Calgary Flames!

You Can’t Touch A Flame When It’s Red Hot!

Today we’ve  reached deep into the NHL Hockey archives to bring you a great, or not so great, moment of hockey history.

In the spirit of our Brett Hull article earlier in the week,  this is a video released in his rookie season of 1987 by the Calgary Flames entitled – “You Can’t Touch a Flame When it’s Red Hot.”

If you are a die-hard Flames fan, and you don’t remember this video, you may not want to watch it. This video might possibly be the most embarrassing public relations tactic in the history of the National Hockey League.

Looking back, I think a more appropriate title would have been “Mullet’s, Mustache’s, and Music”

The video actually features Flames players, including some very notable individuals, lip-syncing and playing air-band to a suspect theme song. If I were a Flames fan, The one thing I’d like to remember about this video is the stellar shot of Lanny McDonald’s helmet and the best mustache in the history of hockey!

If you happen to be an Oilers fan, I suggest you sit back, put your feet up and enjoy a laugh at your rivals to the south. It might be the only one you get all year!

Also, don’t forget to bookmark the video and send it to your favorite Flames fan.

The Biggest Trade In Hockey History

August 9 marks the anniversary of the biggest trade in the history of the National Hockey League.

Edmonton Trades Wayne Gretzky

On August 9, 1988 Wayne Gretzky, Mike Krushelnyski and Marty McSorley were traded to the Los Angeles Kings from Edmonton in exchange for Jimmy Carson, Martin Gelinas, three first round draft choices (1989, 1991, 1993) and cash.

Here are some video clips of the Press Conference and how Edmonton fans reacted:

The Media Burst That Followed

Both Peter Pocklington and Wayne Gretzky made a “business decision” according to Gretzky, but here are some quotes from newspapers at the time of the trade more than 20 years ago.

Janet Jones-Gretzky from the Edmonton Sun on August 12, 1988

“I never intended to talk. But let’s talk,” said Janet.
“The story of the trade as presented by Peter Pocklington is false. Pocklington is the reason Wayne’s gone.
‘To see Wayne hurt like this hurts me. That’s why I’m making the call to you. But everything is getting out of hand.’
“I know the real story. I know the whole story. I know Wayne didn’t deserve any of this. He wouldn’t let Edmonton fans, Canada and, most important, his teammates down without good reason.”

Mike Perricone, Chicago Sun-Times, August 14, 1988

“If Gretzky can’t sell hockey in the U.S., no one can.”

Sports Illustrated, August 22, 1988

“I knew this thing would be big,” Gretzky said, putting down the phone. “But I had no idea it would be this big.”

Canada’s New Democratic Party House leader Nelson Riis

” Wayne Gretzky is a national symbol, like the beaver. How can we allow the sale of our national symbols? The Edmonton Oilers without Wayne Gretzky is like…Wheel of Fortune without Vanna White.”

The Return of The Great One

Gretzky and Los Angeles Kings returned to Edmonton on October 20, 1988.

In one of the most anticipated homecomings in the history of professional sports, the Great One scored on his first shift.

That spring, Gretzky and the Kings eliminated the Oilers from the playoffs.

On October 15, 1989, Gretzky made his most heroic return visit of all. In front of cheering fans at Northlands Coliseum, he broke Gordie Howe’s NHL all-time points record by scoring his 1,850th and 1,851st point.

NHL Playoff Weekend News

Rangers Beat New Jersey…Again!

Henrik Lundqvist and another flukey goal have the New York Rangers halfway to the second round, and the New Jersey Devils wondering what they have to do to beat their longtime rival.
The win was the Rangers’ ninth in 10 games against New Jersey this season, and it gives New York a 2-0 lead in the best-of-seven series

Huge Comeback…Enough Said.

Washington Capitals star Alexander Ovechkin didn’t disappoint in his NHL playoff debut, scoring the winning goal with 4:32 left in the third period to give his team a 5-4 comeback win over the Philadelphia Flyers.

On Frozen Blog summed it up nicely with this quote:

“After slumbering through the opening 40 minutes, Ovechkin tore the roof off the Verizon Center, a sold-out rink that gives the Canadian arenas a run for their money where noise and excitement is concerned.”
–National Post

Avs and Wild In Tough

Shane Giroux was looking forward to Game 2 of the Avs vs. Wild series.

It’s time to grab the beer and chips and plop yourself down on the couch for some exciting playoff action! And you might want to have a defibrillator nearby if the last game was any indication of how this series will play out.

Who’s Signing Gilbert Grape?

The Edmonton Oilers signed Tom Gilbert to a US$24-million, six-year contract Friday that will keep the 25-year-old defenceman with the team through the 2013-14 season.

This Just In From The World’s Most Boring Game

From Mychael Urban MLB.com writer via Kuklas:

Does the U.S. media have an East Coast bias? Sure. Our country was founded there, as were all of the big-time sports leagues. (Save your e-mails, hockey fans. We’re aware that the NHL was founded in Canada. We’re also aware that you aren’t “big-time” until your TV ratings top those of “Golden Girls” reruns on Lifetime.)

Not sure if he thought of this quote while playing with his foul balls, scratching his rosin bag, or stabbing a ‘roid needle in his backside…in any event it’s just plain classless.

Guy Carbonneau’s Psychedelic Tie Rocks!

The Montreal Canadiens coach is 2-0 while wearing the multi-coloured tie his wife gave him for his 48th birthday. Now, fans are reportedly trying to buy the same Hermes tie, which Carbonneau’s wife picked up in Dallas.

Carbo had the following to add to the situation:

“They were still talking about it. It’s unbelievable. I’m going to wear it a couple more times and this summer I’m going to put it on auction, on Ebay or some golf charity. Hopefully we make a lot of money with it. But I’ll buy more. I’ll find some.”

NCAA All-Americans Honored

Players from 14 different Division I programs are represented as American Hockey Coaches Association RBK All-Americans for the 2007-08 season. The top 24 college hockey players were announced Friday at the Frozen Four in Denver. New Hampshire led all schools with four honorees, followed by Colorado College with three.